Israel 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

I just wanna prove something here that there is no such thing as free stuff in this world i.e. free ice cream,freedom of speech,freedom of choice,free sleep,free tickets.

I had an argument with my friend becoz he insist that there really is such a free stuff in this world. Did he expect that i would agree? NO! In my opinion, in order to avail those free stuffs that "exist"(as they say) you must be alive, its obvious that in order for us to stay alive we must have food, clothes and shelter. Now, what would we do in order to have constant supply of FSC? The answer is money! Money, yes money my friend. Money indeed! My point is that in order for us to avail the free stuffs, we must be alive.In order to be alive we must have those stuffs that i said a while ago,In order to have those stuffs we must work! So if we analyze the situation, well end up in conclusion that we must work for us to stay alive so that we can avail those free stuffs.

So in my conclusion there is no such thing as free stuff and only dumb a goofball would believe that the word free exist in this world.

IdyotAko 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

Air is free... and it's all around us... everything pretty much means squat if you don't have air. What good is your money if you're dead?

So for those folks who pay for those "oxygen bars" and stuff... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!

But yeah... disprove me that air is not free. Cmon... I DARE YOU!!! /gg

kalajel 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

A lot of free stuff is available Izzy, you're not just looking hard enough for them. Then again, I've been dead broke for a large part of my life, so I'm used at searching for free stuff.

anadorn 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

Your Life is free... you didn't pay yourself to come out of this world ya know...

Dynewind 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

lol..... lemme join izzy's side....

Example.. people say that we have freedom of right, but the goverment keep hiding things from us, and we dont know anything about the world, what we know is practically what the goverment want us to know, the goverment control the media, and the media also bent every information to their benefit.... every free thing have the consequences.....

for the argument that 'air' is free... it is not really free.... first, we make waste, the waste of food and our own waste indirectly become the plants' food source, so there is no thing that is free 100%.... in everything there is "equivalent exchange" hehehe from fullmetal alchemist

i know i will lose sometime later.. but till then.. let's make this interesting

Israel 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

ok heres the point

in order to live you must work

work gives you money thus enabling you to buy food,shelter and clothing that is vital for your survival.

In order to get air and other free stuffs we must be healthy and alive.

Being alive means we should work for us to be paid and acquire money

live=work

work=money

money=food,shelter and clothes

food,shelter and clothes=live

live=enables you to get free stuffs like air

so if well understand that talbe above, we should all work so that well stay alive and be alive to recieve free stuffs.

In short were just working so that we could have free stuffs.

kalajel 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

Yeah, getting up in the morning, that's a lot of work. And tying up my shoes… man that takes a lot of effort! And all of this so I can breathe that stupid free air. You're right Izzy, maybe I should stop breathing, spare me all this work…

xholix 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

no free stuff
i can get to a lot of web sites free, and i open it in library, so it's free, and i walk there, so it's free, and and... i dunno

fuse 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

You're right if you're point is not everything is free. But some things are... but they can only be measured by one's kindness... With that being said, most things in this world are not free, let us not speak in absolutes about anything...

Kinju 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

Actually, even air isn't that free. You need to expel your carbon dioxide for plants to absorb it. In return, it gives oxygen for us to breathe. Plus, there is the fact that when we cut down trees, we lose a little bit of oxygen produced a day. Any other element in the air comes for free though. Any toxic gases are for free and heck nobody wants it.

Emotions are free. Just be angry at someone and hit him for no particular reason. There we go. That guy just received a punch and you might get yours too. I tell you what, many people actually do that. Imagine what happened in Russia, young children are doing their usual in school and they become hostage for terrorist groups without working for it. Some of them died afterwards. Did they work for it? No. Nobody besides people with suicidal tendencies would work towards death and death alone. They would work in order for them or other people to live. In fact, those children didn't even deserve to die. They are all caught up with the foolishness of mankind.

As for material stuff, there are some that comes for free. I'm not sure about other countries though but Philippines has water for free. You only pay for the services. People get bonuses which basically means more free stuff. People who beg sometimes get free food or money. Every Christmas and on your Birthday, you get gifts for free...of course that would mean you have to earn your friends to get those. Then again, some people just give what they have and there we go.

Then there are stuff that people think they could take away. No one could ever take away your freedom. They just limit them through the use of rules which extracts fear. In fact, after you lost your fear, people would tend to rebel or even just silently cuss at them while they aren't looking. Seriously, that is why there are crimes in society. Everybody knows that it is wrong to shoot a person who is drunk but the opportunity is just there.

I can go on until I lose my mind. Still I think, free is just such a broad word. You can define what free means and you are free to do so since no one would stop you or even bother.

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End of essay.

Dynewind 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

emotions are not free... you pump adrenaline if u r angry or shocked, you give tears if something terrible happend, they cost energy ( ^ _ ^ )

xholix 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

they cost enegry ~ yeah yeah stop talking in bio terms!! just say... THEY ARE TIRING AND SUCKS!! hhehehe

Israel 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

for you to be able to benefit all those stuffs you should be alive and life is not free.

IdyotAko 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

This is for Kinju...

oxygen = air
carbon dioxide = air
nitrogen = air
helium = air
carbon monoxide = toxic... but still air
Must I continue? Air is air, and it is free, regardless on who or what uses it or expels it.

You folks define free with the mindset of monetary value. Simply put, free is something you obtain (regardless of how) without having to ask for it. After that, it's subject to personal interpretation. What may be free to some may be criminal to others, and vice-versa.

Ya dig? /no1

kalajel 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

What!? Stealing is illegal? Uh-oh…

Calicien 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

Izzy, I can give you free ice cream.
You're just not asking it from me.

Dynewind 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

hey, are you guys really taling about ice cream i maen how can u treat someone ice cream when they are a world away hehehe

kalajel 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

Actually Izzy and Cal are both from the Phillipines so I guess it can be done, even though they might not live close to each other… But hey, I guess you could always ship it. (mmm, melted ice cream)

Calicien 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

Lolz, melted ice cream! Hahaha!!!



Yih, kalajel is ever so right. Izzy and I are both from teh philippines <3
Weee!!

Hey Izzy! If you don't claim your free ice cream soon, I'll be teh one to eat it.

BTW, we have a gig on teh 6th of January @ Purple Haze Bar, Tomas Morato corner E.rod infront of Petron Gasoline Station.

You can claim your ice cream there

IdyotAko 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

Magnolia Ice Cream cups please!!!

kalajel 19 years 10 months ago wrote:

Hey I just realized something, the H section must be free otherwise it wouldn't be so popular…

Dynewind 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

what do you mean by free?

and...... @ izzy or cal....
nice..... or you can just order it..... at his town.... hahaha

kalajel 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

Free as in you don't have to pay for it (no really, was that a trick question, is there any other kind of free?). Think about it, would you pay for H?

IdyotAko 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

I thought that you had to register as a member to be able to access it... unless Fuse just went "Fuck it!"... hehehe...

kalajel 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

Registering doesn't const anything. Well if it does I didn't paid anything (*does an impression of Steve Martin* well excuuuuuusssssse meeeeee!).

IdyotAko 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

I'm talking about the gallery, not the forums...

But oh well... *shrugs*

Runagi 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

Hmm... this topic is somewhat weird. >_>; I wasn't going to post here, but then I decided I would... and now when I'm typing this, I'm wondering why I'm typing it. This train of thought, could it possibly be free? How interesting... I wonder what else could be free. Religion? Sure. Especially in America. Why? Because, it's America. If you don't think Religion is free in America, please explain why there are schools that have classes that teach Muslims about hating America, IN AMERICA. Please, explain.

Hmm.. other free things.. Speech? Sure thing. Whether it's censored or not depends on the amount of moderation you use while speaking. Love? Yeah, it might cost money to do things together, but you don't always have to do things, and there isn't any amount of money that can buy true love. The means of which you obtain that true love might, however.

The only things that aren't free are the things that help keep the world in check. If capitalism didn't exist, we would probably all be tilling farms still, doesn't that sound exciting? Complaining about the advancement of civilization seems illogical to me. But, whatever floats your boat. It's your words, correct? You're free to think what you want, hmm.. I guess that's something else that's free.

Dynewind 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

another weird thing... in US... they say there are freedom of speech... but see... the goverment would do something nasty if dont keep ur mouth shut for a while... and the goverment always lies to the public anyways, about the viet war, for example, and why would we want to be a soldier not for the country!! it's just a mind trick the goverment does, so what is goverment people who leads us more to their personal revenge and goals than the whole country.. they manipulate the media and thus, the public... and when public found out, they do nothing but fire the leader... which is not fair.. in other country, if US know something weird, they use some reasons that would later benefit US... and went in and kill millions on both sides... all to show of force and to show hte world that US still strong .... that is damn weird...

Israel 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

i think the only free thing in this world is emotion.

As we all know, this world moves and keeps on progressing because of money. Money makes the world go round and the only thing that you cany buy is emotion.

or being Trustworthy,loyal,helpful,freindly,corteous,kind,obedient,cheerful,thrifty and reverent.


sound familiar huh?

Runagi 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

Give me a solid example, and I will believe this. Until then, I don't believe this has any reality. There is censorship, such as cussing on television and nudity. But even these two are being breached closer and closer to non-existant. Look at television today, there are plenty of sexual situations, and even some of the cusswords censored only a few years ago have become accepted. Examples? Ass and Damn. Just watch some Comedy Central, and you'll hear them.



The Viet War was never a lie. It did happen, and there is plenty of footage available to watch and plenty of articles to read on it. America entered the war incrementally between 1950 and 1965. The multiple starting dates for the war complicate efforts to describe the causes of U.S. entry. The United States became involved in the war for a number of reasons, and these evolved and shifted over time. The main reason for entering the war, was that every American president regarded the enemy in Vietnam--the Vietminh; its 1960s successor, the National Liberation Front; and the government of North Vietnam, led by Ho Chi Minh--as agents of global communism. Please, if you want to talk History send me a PM.



I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion of this being a mindtrick. The military provides plenty of jobs for American citizens. Being part of this military is all voluntary. There is nothing telling anyone that they HAVE to serve. Sure there is a paper that is handed to every 18 year old boy saying they are part of the draft. However, the draft is no longer active, and there is no reason for it to be.



Please provide a solid example.



Granted this is somewhat true, you've somehow managed to tangle this in a ball of illogic. The US does not go into war without any reasons, and it definitely doesn't go to war without negotiation first. I don't believe the actions of the US Govt. are self centered, and I'm not sure where you're getting your facts, but perhaps a little bit of reasearch will help open your eyes to what is going on in the world today.

Dynewind 19 years 9 months ago wrote:

no, i'm not talking about cencorship... well, H and stuff IS cencored.... i mean the department of homeland security... youdo kno that in US, there are some goverment agents that can breach the law? i mean the can kill, destroy, etc to complete their goal... and why would the govt cencor H i mean the one that might put the govt into bad position.. as for solid example, i forgot.. sorry, but as soon as i get to school again, i'll look for it again..




it did happened... what i say is the reason... the reason that the goverment give to the public was that the viet rebel sank US destroyer... now.. let's think, why would a US ship in their seas and after such a long time, it is discovered that the ship is on a spy mission, when US is not officially involved with them, so it's just a normal self defense... and there are other wars that happened on lies too... hehehe




well, it is voluntary, but how the goverment have been affecting our way of thinking since we were in grade school ... everywhere, there are posters, movies about heroes of wars.. so we are bound to love them.... that's why the govt put so much money into advertising military... me myself i would LOVE to join the USAF, but i dont really know.. hahaha it sure is provide you jobs and all, but in the military, you dont have right.. everyt right you have was gone when you sign that paper, what ur commander do to you is legal, like cursing you all the time, hitting you,etc... it's good to defense your country and all, but when the giverment is real. i'll explain the nest one in here too ok example, in Iraq war, just now.... the reason is to stop them from developing nuclear weapon. but do you know before this, US was a good friend of Saddam Husein.... and then US also help iraq against iran, but suddenly, ... war... and isnt that obviously personal vendetta until now, there has been no evidence of what the goverment reason is true...

and hmm... i get al my facts from my school <lol> the history is 2 sided, as they say, you can see it from the US' textbook view, or as the world see it... of course the US books will support US, but who knows the truth